Monday, April 23, 2012

comentary by patrick j miron "vs" every-1 else


A thought provoking quote from Archbishop Fulton Sheen: and patrick M_ron ( or is it m_ron)

i's like to buy a vowel Pat



Solve your leadershp puzzle


Imagine the quest for leadership success as an episode of Wheel of Fortune – there’s a puzzle put in front of you, with just a couple of clues on how to solve it.


You work your way though a lot of it on your own, but then you get stuck. 

You can’t do it by yourself any longer – you have to get some help.

“Pat, I’d like to buy a vowel – let’s try “i”or a "O"




Vanna turns around 4 of them, and Pat declaresthat letter is important – as a leader you must Engage your teammates”


“If you choose not to live what you believe [one’s Faith], you will end up believing what you chose to live.”

(what this really means is: Birds of a feather flock 2-gather),


or at the school Patrick miron attended "Boysville of michigan, Thomas more high.
 the groups you might fit into (Believe-in) were : 1. the jocks; 2. the geeks;3 the druggies;4. the beer drinkers;5 the sexual fornicators; 6 the back-stabbers; 7.and the m0ron's


Boysville of Michigan and the holy Cross Brother's really were spiritually dead, and religiously ignorant, and  Bibliography  illiterate


And As patrick moron says ; seven is the perfect number..!!



Seven  Unities God Grants His Catholic Church


The Ties that Bind Christ to His One Church and we to Christ


by Pat Miron ( additional color by p1saint)

Matthew 7: 21, 24 - 27


"Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

How is this done?


 JESUS gave them this command: “Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit.”
 6 Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
 7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”


3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues[a] as the Spirit enabled them. 




7 They had Peter and John brought before them and began to question them: “By what power or what name did you do this?”  8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them: “Rulers and elders of the people! 9 If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 



 ACTS 10

42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues[b] and praising God.
   Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.


Acts 19

Paul in Ephesus
 1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 

2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when[a] you believed?”   


They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”






 3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”





  “John’s baptism,” they replied.  (just like RCC)




 4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” 5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 






6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues[b] and prophesied. 7 There were about twelve men in all











14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria.




15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit,


16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 




17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.



 18 When Simon saw that the Spirit was given at the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money


19 and said, “Give me also this ability so that everyone on whom I lay my hands may receive the Holy Spirit.”





1 Samuel 10

 1 Then Samuel took a flask of olive oil and poured it on Saul’s head and kissed him, saying, “Has not the LORD anointed you ruler over his inheritance?


 9 As Saul turned to leave Samuel, God changed Saul’s heart, and all these signs were fulfilled that day.




10 When he and his servant arrived at Gibeah, a procession of prophets met him; the Spirit of God came powerfully upon him, and he joined in their prophesying. 




11 When all those who had formerly known him saw him prophesying with the prophets, they asked each other, “What is this that has happened to the son of Kish?

 Is Saul also among the prophets?”



12 A man who lived there answered, “And who is their father?”

 So it became a saying: “Is Saul also among the prophets?”

 13 After Saul stopped prophesying, he went to the high place.


Numbers 11

Fire From the LORD





 26 However, two men, whose names were Eldad and Medad, had remained in the camp. They were listed among the elders, but did not go out to the tent.


Yet the Spirit also rested on them, and they prophesied in the camp. 






27 A young man ran and told Moses, “Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp.”





28 Joshua son of Nun, who had been Moses’ aide since youth, spoke up and said, “Moses, my lord, stop them!”



29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake?


I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”


 30 Then Moses and the elders of Israel returned to the camp.


It is necessary to have the baptism of the Holy Spirit to function as a disciple of Jesus.

The Roman Catholic Church offers you a Sprinkling of water as a baby, and a ceremony of confirmation ,


 without the Spiritual Evidence, of the holy Spirit.




1 Corinthians 2

 1 And so it was with me, brothers and sisters. When I came to you, I did not come with eloquence or human wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God.[a] 2 For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 3 I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling.

 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words,

 but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power,


 5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom (like Patrick j miron, Alvin Glombowski)


, but on God’s power.
God’s Wisdom Revealed by the Spirit
 6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.


 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written:




  “What no eye has seen,
   what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”[b]
   the things God has prepared for those who love him—





10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.





1 Corinthians 3

The Church and Its Leaders
 1 Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly—mere infants in Christ.


2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?




4 For when one says, “I follow Paul, (RCC)” and another, “I follow Apollos,(GOC)” are you not mere human beings?



5 What, after all, is Apollos?(Greek orth/church) And what is Paul?(RCC) Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task.


 6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow.




7 So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow. 8 The one who plants and the one who waters have one purpose, and they will each be rewarded according to their own labor.


 9 For we are co-workers in God’s service; you are God’s field, God’s building.




37 cIf anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord. 38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.




 39 So, my brothers, dearnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40 eBut all things should be done decently and fin order.






 tearnestly desire the uspiritual gifts, especially that you may vprophesy.




 For wone who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit. On the other hand, the one who prophesies speaks to people for their upbuilding and encouragement and consolation. 




11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,


 12 to equip his people for works of service,

so that the body of Christ may be built up


 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.





14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 




15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.






16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.




Instructions for Christian Living
 17 So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking.


 18 They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts.


 19 Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, and they are full of greed.







.














 "Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock;

(you are the Christ the son of the living God)





 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock.


 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it."

Eph. 2:19-20 “So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord; in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.” [Note please the exclusive use of the Singular tense]

Christ is a Perfect God, and knew precisely the intent, the meaning and the future-implications of the  language He used in choosing Peter as the “Rock” to build His new Church  upon…. Yes, Christ is the Cornerstone that holds it all together; and prevents it’s collapse.



 But Peter; “the ROCK” is the “building’s”  foundation, then, now, and always.

 This a lie that the RCC and Patrick j miron belives, a disciple of the RCC , it is required.

This is also foundational mis - translated scripture, and is the why other false interpretations are possible in the RCC, as well as in other domination 


2 Timothy 3:5-7

King James Version (KJV)

 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 

(this is when they get PETTy and vindictive and try to point the finger at you and say"heretic")



 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.





There IS continuity in the bible, because there MUST BE, in order to insure that Christ Message of salvation be clear, concise, understood, and [with grace]: acceptable. …. Therefore No one part of God’s Word can contradict another teaching is the most elementary Rule of RIGHT Understanding of God’s Inspired Biblical WORDS. …. This is an unfailing, infallible truth.

The message that I hope to share with you today is in many ways the same message that Jesus was relating in the above passages of Matthews Gospel. It will likely be more clear to those who mostly don’t need to hear it [because they are already doing it], and may quite possibly be missed, or ignored, or misunderstood by those who Do NEED to hear it, WHO Do NEED to understand it, and WHO  Do NEED to respond to it. Still I am firmly convinced that God is ever-present and remains FULLY in charge. So we leave the responsibility of understanding to you and the Holy Spirit.

LET US PRAY


Holy Spirit; Almighty God who influences our thoughts; who grants true Wisdom, Knowledge and Understanding, we pray to you for the promised fruits of a TRUE and Lively Faith. Open our minds, our hearts, and move or wills to, in humility, accept, learn and love what you, the Father and the Son  have always and everywhere taught, with unfailing consistently, and held as one of the many singular truths of your  Divine Will. Enflame is us a powerful desire us to know what your Holy Bible actually teaches. We ask this through Jesus Our Lord. Amen!

“Let those “who have ears hear”
Matt.13:9-12 “He who has ears, let him hear." Then the disciples [Apostles] came and said to him, "Why do you speak to them in parables?"


And he answered them, "To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.” 




 For to him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away.  [Jesus speaks here of true Faith and Right Understanding.]

2nd. Peter 1: 17-21  “You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,  because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.”

2nd. Peter 3: 14-17  “Therefore, beloved, since you wait for these, be zealous to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability”

In order to, God willing, improve the odds of those needing to get this message, actually being able to grasp its importance,  I will be extremely blunt and clear. PLEASE do not take offense to what I am saying. My tone is NOT accusatory; rather it is shared out of a sincere love of you,

my neighbors; our brethren in the non-Catholic, Christian communions.  And a deep concern for the salvation of all-possible souls.

God Teaches  and permits ONLY of one each of the Seven signs of unity. “Seven” is a biblical number signifying “Perfect.”

1. One Body = Church, One single Faith organization
2. One Spirit = Love of God, self and neighbor as ourselves
3. One Hope = Salvation, which is a process of many essential-components
4. One Christ = Redeemer and Savior: Are not synonymous terms
5. One Faith= Only What God Actually teaches in its totality
6. One Baptism= Water and the Spirit, Desire, and or Blood
7. One God =Triune: Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Shown below is an amazing biblical summary-confirmation of what God has always held too as key elements of the singular truths necessary for anyone’s salvation. It expresses the essential unity and doctrines that relate most directly to the broad issue of “salvation.”  It is in a nearly complete  “outline” form, of what each of us must know the details of, then accept and live  fully, if our “hope” of our own and others salvation is to bear the fruit of reality. Each of the elements has a direct, irrevocable connection to today’s  Catholic Church, led of course by the Roman Catholic Church, as the “keeper of the Key’s”, those men that God Himself chooses, like Peter, to Lead and to teach to “the ends of the earth” [Mt. 28:16-20] , all that Christ has Ordained and commands.

Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24
“ I [Paul]  therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all lowliness and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, one Lord, [Christ]  one faith, one baptism, one God and Father [Triune] of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ's gift.”

The use of  the number  “One,”  is made even more significant by its repetition,  and is highly reflective of Paul’s  extensive training as a Scholar  of “The Jewish-Law.” As a  trained Pharisee, Paul knew intimately, the  Pentateuch. The first five books of the Bible taken collectively, that is, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, written from about 1400 to 1300 B.C.” In his pre-called” to apostleship position Paul would also have known all of the hundreds of added “LAWS” that were expected to be kept in fulfilling the Jews commitments to Yahweh. I mention this because “numbers” were of extreme importance in the Old Testament Bible. They in a sense had meanings, often far beyond the actual numerical indication given. I‘d like to share from the agapebilblestudy.com ,  site, the meanings of the numbers “ONE“ and the number “SEVEN.” This understanding is highly significant to our present discussion.

ONE: In sacred Scripture "one", ehad, in Hebrew represents unity and is the quintessential number of monotheism, the worship of one God.

This concept of one as a unity of one God is expressed in the opening lines of the first profession of faith found in Scripture, the Shema: "Hear O Israel, Yahweh our God, Yahweh is One" [Deuteronomy 6:4].
One as a cardinal number symbolizes Unity. The number One is indivisible and not made up of any other number representing the unity of the One true God in which there is no division
One as an ordinal number denotes primacy, sovereignty, divine completeness or perfection.
Christians recognized the number "one" in Scripture as symbolic of the First Person of the Most Holy Trinity, God the Father.

SEVEN: Spiritual perfection and fullness or completion. It is the number of Covenant and of the Holy Spirit.

7 is the second perfect number.
In Hebrew 7 is shevah (shebah) from the root shava (shaba or sheba), to be full.
God rested on the seventh day (Saturday) after creation [Genesis 2:2]
To swear an oath in Hebrew is "to seven oneself"
There are seven gifts of the Holy Spirit (CCC#1831; Isaiah 11:1)
The sacred Menorah has 7 branches, six on each side of a central shaft, and 7 cup shaped lamps for the olive oil
There were 7 classes of furniture in the Tabernacle: Bronze Altar, Bronze Laver, Golden Menorah, Golden Table of the Bread of the Presence, Golden Altar of Incense, Ark of the Covenant, and the Seat of Atonement
The Tabernacle was built in 6 days and dedicated on the 7th [Exodus 40:17]
It took Solomon 7 years to build the Temple in Jerusalem. [ 1 Kings 6:37-38]
There are 7 holy annual feast days in the Sinai Covenant [Leviticus 23:1-44]
The Feast of Passover is the 1st month of the liturgical year but the 7th month of the civil year. [Exodus 12:1-2]
The Feast of Tabernacles completes the cycle of Holy Days on the 7th month of the liturgical year.[Leviticus 23:33-43]

So when Paul uses “numbers” we need to reflect and ask is there a significance beyond what  seems evident to today’s readers of the bible? Clearly in the repetition of the Number “One,”
Paul is conveying a meaning of VERY GREAT significance. The “common denominator” which is used “SEVEN” times, of the seven nouns Paul uses  in conjunction with the number “One,“ is “UNITY.” But not simply “unity,” but a “Perfect Unity.” Unable to be divided, unable to be split, unable to be multiplied.

This then becomes Thee key  to  “The Key” given to Peter by Christ.  Notice the similarity of the singular terms carefully chosen by God. The very fact that the Bible is at the same time God’s OWN words, and the Divinely Inspired and guided language of those God choose to author the Bible is NOT to over be looked. Also NOT to be overlooked in the fact that Matthews  Gospel is the FIRST to be written. When God is involved, we can and we MUST rule out coincidences as a possibility.

Matthew 16: 15-19 “He [Jesus] said to them, [Plural] "But who do you say that I am?" Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." And Jesus answered him, [Singular] "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I [Singular] tell you, [Singular] you are Peter, and on this rock [Singular] I will build my church, [Singular] and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [Singular]. I will give you [Singular] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you [Singular] bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you [Singular] loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Allow me now to share and apply what we have just learned to the Seven Unities. Addressing  briefly what is the meaning and implications of each “Unity.” I would also like to point out that time and grace have permitted me to accept, and partially understand [I KNOW God is behind it], why so many different understandings of what is written in the bible exist. The One issue that I personally continue to struggle with however, is the Obvious Fact that in the totality of the Bible; God never so much as hints at being willing to accept belief in more than One God, or His One set of Faith Beliefs, as taught by those He personally puts in charge. I am strangely able to recognize the differences in understanding [pride-filled-human nature], but unable to grasp how it is not obvious that God has always, consistently and constantly permitted only One set of faith beliefs. The very foundation for other faith-beliefs being acceptable to God is to me somewhat of a mystery. YES, I know: they think we are the ones who are wrong. BUT we were here some 1,500 years before they “became right?”

1. One Body = Church, One single Faith organization

The New testament alone has over 100 references to but One Church, meaning one set of Faith beliefs, confined in a single faith-organization. God Choose only “One” Church influenced by Divine Prudence, Justice and Fairness. Any more than one would increase the potential for error. Would permit a double jeopardy. 1. The choice of knowing and loving God or hating God. 2. A possibility of “loving God” in a manner NOT consistent with His Divine choosing,  is Quite possibly insufficient for ones personal salvation?

2. One Spirit = Love of God, self and neighbor as ourselves

Here, Paul is speaking of “the New Commandment.” [John 13:34] “Love one another as I [God] Love you“. This implies more than what is at first evident. Because in fulfilling this AGAPE Love, one must be humble enough to accept everything that is taught by the Commandments, and ALSO those God has placed over us to teach, guide, guard and protect our souls. The Magisterium of our Catholic Church. That friends means ALL those in authority who align themselves with our Pope. Catholism, mimicking the practice of the Old Testament Jewish- faith, allows for no picking and choosing. Agape love MUST strive for perfection, which is attainable only in fullness of humility, obedience and application.

3. One Hope = Salvation, which is a process of many essential-components

This one is easier to understand. It flows naturally from the other two and through the remaining four.

There is only one unforgivable sin man can freely choose. That being NOT to freely choose to Know, Love, Obey and serve our God, through His [our] faith. This is the First Commandment. Every other wrong, incomplete, or imperfect act, can, with God’s help and intervention, be corrected and forgiven. That friends is why; no matter how bad, or desperate things appear to us we ought never loose HOPE, as we always have access to our God. Amen!

I would be in grave error if I failed to point out that ALL Salvation must and does flow through the Catholic Church. Further, those outside Her Embrace, who have been offered this information, and then choose to deny, ignore or try to reinvent it, do so at great personal risk to there souls. Man-made, innovative and easier ways to attain assurance of salvation, taught by so many faiths, are myths, false-hopes, and of no salvation value.

4. One Christ = Redeemer and Savior: Are not synonymous terms

Both Independent actions, clearly are in, by, from, and through Jesus Christ. This “One” is as stated above, seemly easy for all of Christianity to accept. The problem is that nearly half of us [the non-catholic-Christians] have often an overly optimistic , simplistic, unrealistic and incorrect understanding of both terms. Their hope is [biblically and factually] unfounded and therefore salvation is very clearly  and definitely not assured.

Redemption is for “all-humanity.” Past, present and future. It is a fully accomplished act.  BUT The FACT that we ARE “Redeemed,” does not imply or guarantee that anyone of us has assured or “attained” salvation.  Nor may we believe that any one or two things will be sufficient for our salvation. If what we choose to believe does not conform to what God commands, such beliefs are worthless.

Salvation is a PROCESS that always and every time must include grace, faith, Christian Baptism, complete obedience to ALL of the Commandments and ALL that they entail [the ten being only categories of sins; not the list of], and as stated earlier, also to the Church and the authorities God makes us subject too. And we are also required to do good works as a condition of salvation. And YES, each of these is biblically supportable.

5. One Faith= Only What God Actually teaches in its totality

Here I shall be brief. [IMO]…  There is absolutely to record, no reference, no tradition that our God ever, EVER, permitted more than only His One set of faith-beliefs. Given the multitude of biblical evidence for Only One Church, the lack of any historical, traditional or even logical evidence that God somewhere along the line changed His mind cannot be proven. The idea that mortal men can come along 1,500 YEARS later, and claim without evidence beyond there own opinions, that despite abundant biblical proof that God Himself warrants what His One Church teaches [Jn. 14:16-17; Jn. 17:15-19; Jn. 20: 19-22, Mt. 16:15-19, Mt. 18:18, Mt. 28:16-20], and then still insist on knowing more or knowing better that what God Himself Ordained, implemented, protects and guides, is quite amazing. Very HUMAN, and truly astonishing.

6. One Baptism= Water and the Spirit, Desire, and or Blood

As this is NOT a lesson on the sacraments, I’ll leave this alone. Know that the norm is “by water and the Spirit.” And that God himself is the judge of the effectiveness of the other two forms, which are required because of the Divine Nature, Justice and Fairness of God Himself.

7. One God =Triune: Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Again there is no debate on this Critical issue. [THANK GOD!] Nor is there room for one. It is  true  and also FACT. Amen!

Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24 CONTINUED: “…. “And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,  to equip the saints [WHICH IS WHAT GOD DESIRES FOR EACH OF US] for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, [Singular] until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles. Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, from whom the whole body, [Singular] joined and knit together by every joint with which it is supplied, when each part is working properly, makes bodily growth and upbuilds itself in love.

This my friends, defines, and explains OUR Personal Mission, and the Mission of “The Church “ [Singular.] It is in this very sense that “WE ARE Thee Church.”  SHE; “Mother Church” exist For us, and if we are truly joined to Her; by us; and through us to Christ.

Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24 CONTINUED: “….   “Now this I affirm and testify in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, [Meaning non-catholic-Christians as well as unbelievers] in the futility of their minds; they are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart; they have become callous and have given themselves up to licentiousness, greedy to practice every kind of uncleanness. You did not so learn Christ!”

Paul, like me in this lesson is getting tired [physically that is]. The list he supplies is to include ALL of the Commandments and full Obedience to Church Teachings. The root of each of these articulated sins can be attributed to Satan’s favorite tool: man’s pride. Pride is the lead -  in to all Seven Capitol Sins [also a separate lesson.].

Eph.4 Verses 1 to 24 CONTINUED: “….     “assuming that you have heard about him and were taught in him, as the truth is in Jesus.



Put off your old nature which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and put on the new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.”  Amen!

What a truly amazing and informative chapter. God willing, you now also have gained some insight as to why it is dangerous to trust your own understanding of what the Bible ACTUALLY is teaching. The test is: “If it does NOT fully conform to what the Catholic Church teaches; quite simply; it is wrong.

May God Continue to Bless, Guide and Protect you andall those you LOVE!

Love and prayers,.. ya sure
Pat

Saturday, April 21, 2012

guide to the major differences between Catholic and Protestant theology, especially at the time of the Reformation.

The chart below provides a quick-reference guide to the major differences between Catholic and Protestant theology, especially at the time of the Reformation. As is always true with charts and other summaries, the information is oversimplified for the sake of brevity and should be used alongside more complete explanations.
The Protestant positions listed here are based primarily on the historical Lutheran and Reformed perspectives. The beliefs listed for both Catholics and Protestants by no means represent those of all churches or individuals within that tradition.
For more detailed comparisons that take into account differences within Protestantism, see the comparison charts on Facts and Stats, Beliefs, Practices, and Social and Ethical Views of Christian Denominations.

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Authority Scripture and tradition Sola Scriptura - Scripture alone
Bible Includes apocrypha Excludes apocrypha
Results of Fall Corruption and tendency to sin Total depravity and guilt
Free will Free to do good or evil Free only to do evil
Predestination Related to God's foreknowledge Related to God's decrees
Atonement Death of Christ created merit that is shared with sinners through sacraments Death of Christ was a substitutionary sacrifice that satisfied God's justice
Divine grace Prevenient grace helps one believe; efficacious grace cooperates with the human will to do good Common grace enabling good works given to all; sufficient grace for salvation given to elect only
Good works Meritorious Results of divine grace and unworthy of merit
Salvation Received at baptism; may be lost by mortal sin; regained by penance. Those who have never heard of Christ may be saved. (Catech 847) Result of divine grace; unconditional. Those who have never heard of Christ may be saved.
The Church The Catholic Church is "the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation" (Catech 845) but those baptized in other Christian denominations are in communion with the Church (Catech 838). There is a distinction between the visible and invisible church. God saves anyone he chooses, or anyone with proper faith, regardless of church membership.
Sacraments Convey grace by their operation (ex opere operato). Means of grace only if received with faith.
Priests A special vocation for some believers; mediators between God and man Priesthood of all believers.
Transubstantiation Affirmed Rejected
Purgatory Affirmed Denied
Prayer to saints Accepted Rejected

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Friday, April 13, 2012

IDOLATRY & HUMAN LEADERSHIP

IDOLATRY & HUMAN LEADERSHIPDavid Orton     
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“They set up kings without my consent; they choose princes without my approval.With their silver and gold they make idols for themselves to their own destruction” Hos 8:4 NIV
“A horrible and shocking thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way…” Jer 5:30-31 NIV



Confusion of terms - Elders, Bishops, and Pastors

Consequently, the Western church’s traditionally inherited structures have confused three important terms: elders, bishops, and pastors. Traditionally, they have been seen as three distinct layers of church office: the bishop originally presiding over one congregation but in time over many, and, therefore the pastor of each congregation, who in turn presided over the elders. It is important to note that Paul in his address to the Ephesian elders used all three terms inter-changeably, for one category of person. In verse 17 of Acts chapter 20 he called the presbuterous or ‘elders’ of the church to meet with him. In verse 28 he also referred to them as episkopos - as ‘overseers’ (NIV, NASV) or ‘bishops’ (NKJV, NRSV), reminding them that it was the Holy Spirit who placed them in this role. And in the same verse he exhorts them to poimainein (to feed and rule) or ‘shepherd’ (NASV, NRSV) the flock, which is the verb form of poimen, translated ‘pastor’ in Ephesians 4:11.

From this we see that:  Firstly, Paul did not call for the bishop or senior pastor of the church, but the elders. They are the governing council of the church. The office of bishop or senior pastor did not exist.  Second, the role of the Holy Spirit in appointing them - they have been gifted and positioned supernaturally by the Spirit as were the apostles, prophets, and teachers. Third, the three terms apply to three aspects of the one person: elder - referring to their character; overseer/bishop - to their sphere; and, shepherd/pastor - to their function. In Paul’s use of these terms there was no distinction between a bishop, elder, or pastor. The elders are the pastors and the bishops of their congregation. All three terms are synonymous for the same person!
Protestant Popes & Priesthoods

If there were an office of leadership in the New Testament, it would be that of plural eldership.188 However, the only reference to office in the NT is an invention of translators: “If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work” (1 Tim 3:1 KJV; also NKJV, NASB, NRSV). In this case, the NIV is a more accurate rendering, “If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task”. There is no corresponding word for office in the Greek text.189 The translators have literally pulled it out of the air, betraying the entrenchment of traditional structures and mindsets in the church! Rather than being treated as a living spiritual organism, the church has historically been managed as an organization.

The only other potential reference to office is in Hebrews, referring to the Old Testament priesthood.190 Nowhere in the Scripture record of the new covenant church, however, is there a term that refers to any kind of human priestly or leadership office. It is most definitely a concept imported from the Old Testament. In fact, it was borrowed from there by several of the early church Fathers to legitimize the church’s shift from charismatic function to organizational position. But imposing old covenant institutions on new covenant ministry only created a new priesthood. As Christ is the only mediator between God and man 191 any usurpation of his priesthood can only be described as the spirit of anti-Christ. And yet that is exactly what happened as the concept of official power grew in the church. A priesthood developed, with abuses down through history that defy imagination.

While the Reformation addressed some of this, it did not resolve it. Because the concept of office and official power was perpetuated it has resulted in a plethora of abuses – of Protestant Popes and Priesthoods. The usurping of spiritual authority by official power is at the root of the perennial problem of spiritual abuse and atrophy in the church. We will not see true apostles, prophets, and teachers fully restored until the issue of office is resolved. The full restoration of true spiritual authority hinges on it.
So, what about Senior Pastors?

The only reference to the pastor is in Ephesians 4:11. He (or she) is one of the ascension-gift ministries, who along with apostles, prophets, evangelists, and teachers are trans-local in their sphere of ministry. In my view, the true Ephesians 4 pastor is exclusively trans-local, serving as a member of an apostolic team. They work with the apostle in shepherding the shepherds, the local elders.

The New Testament knows nothing of a local church position that looks any thing like the current role of pastor or senior pastor. I suspect that many of those currently serving as senior pastors are either apostles or elders. But this will not be evident until some major shifts occur. One of these is the restoration of the city-church. This will cause major adjustments for those serving in leadership roles, including their understanding of the local church.
 
In apostolic times the local church was the church of the locality. It was the church of the city or the region,192 and was defined geographically, not denominationally. As God restores the apostolic unity of the church, denominational boundaries will become increasingly obsolete until only geographical ones remain. A church will no longer consist of those loyal to a particular denomination, leader, or theological perspective, but of all those in a city who belong to the one Lord and the one faith.193
As this occurs every member of the body will discover their placement. This will emerge according to their gifts and anointing, not by academically or politically gaining a position.  As servant-leaders they will facilitate the phenomenon of the church simultaneously growing smaller and larger! As in apostolic times the church will increasingly live in the healthy tension between two polarities – the church in the home and the church in the city. House-churches will accelerate the harvest and facilitate shepherd care, while “temple worship” will be revived in large citywide celebrations, overflowing the largest public arenas. There will be many congregations but only one church. In fact, many churches will merge regardless of denominational tags resurfacing as house churches participating in regional or citywide apostolic networks. Many church buildings will either be sold or become training centres in raising labourers for the harvest. Otherwise the church will meet in the home or in large public arenas. Those “senior pastors” who emerge as true apostles will be called to geography, to the city or a larger region – not to a single congregation or denominational agenda. Other senior pastors will emerge as the true elders of the city, who will serve with the apostles, prophets, and teachers in a collegiate style of leadership – as a joint-pastorate over the city.

What about Elders?
But what about those who are currently serving as elders?

Biblically, the elders are the shepherds or pastors of the city church. And, as such, are spiritually mature people, anointed to teach and oversee the flock of that city.194 They are not a business council or a traditional church board consisting of naturally accomplished men who surround the senior minister of what we currently understand to be the local church (i.e. one congregation). In fact, some of those who are currently serving as elders, and even some senior pastors, will emerge as the deacons of the city church. Serving with the apostles and elders the deacons will function as strategy implementers and facilitators of citywide unity, prayer, and evangelism, while others will emerge as administrators of ministry to the poor, and as stewards of church resources. And as already stated, some senior ministers will, with the emergence of the city church, surface as the true elders of the city. In a practical expression of unity in diversity they will display diverse gifts, ministries, and impact,195 overseeing the flock together in plurality and humility of heart; 196 and this, in tandem with the trans-local ministries of apostles, prophets, and teachers. Some of whom will emerge from that city, serving as co-elders with the citywide presbytery. This is reflected in Peter’s self-referencing as a “fellow elder” 197, while clearly functioning as an apostle.

The Apostles and the Elders


Just as the office of senior pastor did not govern the church, neither was it exclusively governed by the gift of apostle. Its governance was clearly in the hands of the elders in its day to day life; but who willingly co-laboured with those they received as apostolic.198 Any authority that the apostles had with the elders was purely spiritual and relational - not organizational or official. They were apostles to one city, but not to another. Epaphroditus was known as “your messenger” (Phil 2:25) or literally “your apostle”, suggesting that while to the church in Philippi he was a relational overseer he was not to others. No doubt Paul had this principle in mind when he said, “Even though I may not be an apostle to others, surely I am to you!…” (1 Cor 9:2 NIV).

While official power functions organizationally, and is taken over another, spiritual authority serves relationally, and is received by another. A true leader does not exercise power over another because of  position. Rather, they are given the authority by those who receive their leadership through relationship and trust. Recognition of spiritual authority is always voluntary and never coerced. A true elder will not “lord it over the flock”, but serve in humility, as an example.
 
Paul’s apostolic bond with the churches, therefore, clearly reflects a relational and charismatic connection, as opposed to a formalized office. Each church was totally free to receive or reject apostolic personnel and policy according to their relationships.
So, the answer to our earlier question as to whether the New Testament model of leadership was based on office or gift is clear.

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